Cracks

[Kalphite]

K well, i know i shouldn't be saying this, but 50% or more of the people here didn't buy PT because it was so easy to get the crack. I personaly, used around hmm.... 10 minutes? Of my time just now on my moms laptop and got all 11 weapon packs with the game included from ... yeah for blitwises purposes i won't say, but it's a comon program. It shouldn't be this easy to get a crack, but now blitwise is locked into what they have now; since every game can but simply copied to another computer and shared on the net. My suggestion would be that you have to activate you copy of PT online... And it wouldn't be like those popcap games whatever where you put a serial (i use keygens lol) it would be that when you buy the game, you have to wait for blitwise to actualy activate it on your computer via the net, proving that you paid for the game, or else the game wouldn't work. And for those who don't have internet, they would use the phone. But if that started now, it would only work for neon wars, since PT and DX have been migrated EVERYWHERE on the net.

Who's with me?

[Kalphite]

Please don't flame me about getting an illegal copy, i have my reasons... and they aren't to be argued with.

[Leon]

That won't stop people from trying.

[Kalphite]

Well of course not, and it's impoissible to sell something at 100% if it's virtual, but it would cut down the crackers of blitwise games by quite a bit.

[Zwaken]

This is a good idea. This wont prevent 100% of the stealers, but a good amount.

[Everlast]

I have been searching for a web site that is posting Neon Wars Deluxe for free. NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO GET IT FOR FREE, I SENT IN MY MONEY THROUGH THE MAIL AND BOUGHT IT. I'm just searching for it so if I find one I can tell Brian or Mike. I also like the idea of having BlitWise activate the game before you can play it so it will stop some people from posting it on file sharing programs.

[Santris15]

I paid for mine fair and triangular. People who whose cracks and such are stooges. I like knowing that I have contributed to the advancement and improvement and additions and future of the game. Yolk!

[Kalphite]

Everlast, finding places where blitwises's files are being shared and showing it to mike won't do crap, first of all they probably won't take it down, and even if they do it would be like 1 / 10000 of all the websites ... you know what i mean. I REALLY feel strong on these two opinions:

Getting cracks of older versions of games is legal.
If you have a good cause, then i would say it's fine since you paid for the computer.

Look at photoshop Cs2, It's around 1k$, i could buy a car with that ... or have a virtual program that will be outdated and forgotten in about 2 years.

[Everlast]

Everlast, finding places where blitwises's files are being shared and showing it to mike won't do crap, first of all they probably won't take it down.

Actually they have already contacted XD Productions for putting it up on their website for free, and now that website is no longer offering it. So its not like they just sit there and watch websites give it away. :anirolleyes: But with the file sharing programs there ain't nothing you can do about that.

[Zone101]

Hm.. the fact that anyone has the ability to get all weapon packs for free does seem to make this game get more publicity on the net.. because it's seen on many.... programs.

[Brian]

Actually, it's slightly more effective than I thought it would be at first. Most sites are willing to comply with the DMCA, including many Torrent services. Will we be able to remove it from every file sharing program and torrent? Of course not. I'm happy if we can cut down on its visiblity on unauthorized distributers. Mike has spoken about taking more...stringent measures to protect the copyright, but I get the feeling it is not something he wants to do with Pocket Tanks, certainly at this time.

[CutlipCWA]

So, certainly not saying this to be a flamer or anything, but coming from someone who HAS paid for the programs AND the updates AND the weapon packs, has anyone thought of looking up Kalphite's IP address (which I know you can do through the BBS system) and banning him for stealing Blitwise's stuff? I mean, he's telling people that he believes in stealing. Pretty sure that's wrong in just about any belief system.

Kalphite, if you don't want to support Blitwise in their programming endeavors, why are you even posting here? (NOT flaming Kalphite, just stating the obvious)

[Zone101]

I'm against that opinion actually. He may not have support Blitwise financially.. but he's supporting the forum as well as supporting the game simply by playing it and sharing his opinions and views on the game. Afterall.. any publicity is good publicity.

[Kalphite]

I have my reasons, they are good ones, if you really wish to know you can pm me and ask. ALso;

About XDProductions, this is funny, but true:

I downloaded a torrent and when it finished there was a readme file saying that it had been originaly found on XDProductions and it was submitted by GamerxGuy (the person who put it on XDproductions). So in a way It's still on XDP.


I know what you mean whoever tried to flame me in an inoffencive way, but if i paid for every game i own i would be in dept in the thousands. I still contribute to their community, and if i didn't crack their game, i probably wouldn't play it at all.

[Brian]

Although I certainly understand how you feel, Cutlip, it is not something that we intend to do. While we don't condone software piracy (for a myriad of obvious reasons), I don't believe that the act of having the game without paying for it is grounds for banning. Now, if he were soliciting the game for free, or encouraging people to go out and get it without paying for it, or especially providing ways of doing so, those would all be clear violations of our TOS. I would just hope that those who enjoy our games feel positively about supporting our ability to continue making the games they love.

[Kalphite]

In i way, im doing the opposite of what Brian just said, at least i am honest, believe it or not there are millions of people out there who say they buy and they are legel and blah blah blah when they didn't even buy their copy of windows.

[CutlipCWA]

I don't see where it matters. If I admitted to killing someone, should they let me off because I'm being honest?

If you can't afford to buy the games you have, then you shouldn't have them. That's how this country works, ya know. If I felt like I could just go out and steal whatever I want because I should have it whether I have the money for it or not, there would be a MAJOR problem.

There is no excuse. Man up and pay for the product. I don't care what your reason is, what you've done is illegal. Period. I'm sorry that you feel like you're supporting a product by stealing it and cheating the people that worked hard to make it out of money.

And Blitwise, I'm sorry that you have to sit idly by and watch people brag about cheating you out of hard-earned money. Hope things work out for your company, cuz I like playing your games.

[Zone101]

Ha.. this can't really relate to killing someone you know.. I think you should do something like for those who can't pay.. like you need 100 posts per weapon pack.. that'd make people contribute to the forum more and there'd be no argument.. because they may not be contributing financially but they will contribute to the community of PT. And obviously some will find that to be extreme.. cause 100 posts.. that's alot! Most people would just pay if they can afford it.. quite a few people won't even know you can get a weapon pack by doing 100 posts.. and they'll just pay anyway. But I think it's a good idea.. it'll keep people quiet from arguments and make it fair to both sides.

[Kalphite]

Cutlip; what your saying may be in your opinion, but you have to remember, that 75% of americas (i put no capital letter on purpose lol) population gets all their stuff pirated, it's not like im an odd one, and right now i am trying to fix the problem, i think your being a bit harsh, i mean i mean blitwise a nice userbar ;) okay but anyways you get the point.

[Everlast]

On my very first post on this forum I admitted to stealing Pocket Tanks Deluxe, because there is no reason to hide it. If you get mad at me you can at least be happy because I DID PAY for Neon Wars Deluxe via the mail, and back then when I first joined the forum I didn't know they offered buying it through the mail. But now I know so from now on I'm buying everything through the mail. Once they edit the mail in form for me. :D Which they had to do for Neon Wars. :anirolleyes:

[CutlipCWA]

Kalphite, two things.

Number one, it's fact that 57.3% of all statistics are made up. So your 75% thing is worthless to me. And beside that, your punctuation problems don't faze me one bit. I did my time in the military, so you're free to capitalize or not capitalize the country I put my rump on the line to defend. That's your right, I fought for it.

And number two, no, you aren't the odd one, and that's sad. If people continue to not pay for the services that Blitwise offers, they're going to realize that they're losing money and time making a game that they can't use to pay their electric bill, and they'll stop making games, period. It's deadbeats like you that make it hard to capitalize America. It's not my OPINION that stealing is wrong, it's been against the law since Moses. There is no OPINION on whether stealing is wrong. It's just wrong. There can be no "what if" situation here.

As for people supporting Blitwise by posting in the forums, have you read the "randomness" posts? Where is that supporting anything but a bunch of bored pre-teens with nothing better to do than sitting around and trying to be funny? Does that help Blitwise to sell more games? And if so, how? PLEASE explain this to me, and I'll stop sharing my "opinion", which happens to be the opinion of law enforcement as well.

Yours truly (and that's no opinion),

[Zone101]

Alright that's enough guys..
Sure stealing maybe wrong.. but it's not like he's stealing a car is it? The games don't cost thousands.. they're only a few dollars which isn't the end of the world if a select few "steal" them. True.. there are many random posts here but that's a minority. And these posts here are part of those 'bad posts' so how about we stop flaming and going on about this? People have the option to buy or steal.. and that's how it is.

[Kalphite]

Cutlip i would kindly ask you not to post in this topic anymore, or i will priveatly ask Brian or Mike to close it. Your place is not to insult/flame others on a discussion thread and act cool.

Back on topic, i think we have pretty much finished this, there isn't much more to say.

[Everlast]

If your in the Army why are you wasting your time with a bunch of "pre-teens" which I am not by the way, and how do we know that the 57.3% is a fact? You just said most statistics are made up......but anyway this is taking a wrong turn. I just knew a thread named "Cracks" wasn't going anywhere good. I'm not mad at Kalphite, I'm just saying there will never be an end to stealing, people will always steal. I mean, Bill Gates stole ideas from his partners and said they were his. Picasso stole ideas from other painters coming to him and showing him new forms of art. Then he turned around and showed it off that he had done it. I mean heck America was founded on stolen land from the indians. So you can never rid of it, it will always be there. And its not like BlitWise is the only one, look at poor Adobe people are sharing its program like none other. And don't forget songs, people download songs like its nothing. And to go along with that watch this song CLICK (http://youtube.com/watch?v=3NXuAi9A-Iw) One last thing America is not going to go into a spiraling downfall just because someone got a program illegaly. America doesn't depend on that factor for its soul existance. And I really hope this thread will be deleted by Brian or at least locked, because this is a really touchy subject and I could go on forever, but I have to stop. So yeah...

[Kalphite]

Finaly, someone who thinks the same as me ;) Thanks everlast for being back on topic and somehow reading my mind of what i though when i was reading cutlips post lol.

[Skix]

(Insert Long Mindless Angrey Ramble Above Here...)

True, Stealing is wrong, illegal, and hurtfull especialy if the entity being stolen from is a small buisness like blitwise, but this is the world of software, it is NOT the same as in the real world, no matter how wrong that might sound.

For instance, did you know that it is NOT illegal to download and use software that you did not pay for? It's only illegal to distribute it. Now although that sounds like a bunch of bull$@%& it's sadly true. Also, to people downloading software "illegaly" the line between right or wrong can become easly blurred and justifyable. Here's an example, a while back i downloaded a trial of flash proffessional 2005. when it expired i still wantedt to use it, however i didn't have the 700 hundred dollers to unlock it. in fact i've never had that much money in my life.(i'm just a lowley teenager) now, thinking about downloading a crack i think "is thiis wrong? will i hurt anyone? is it stealing? no it's just a copy... is it like takeing 700 bucks from macromedia? No i'm broke and therefor not a potential customer and wouldent have bought it any way." You see what i just did? I easely justified my cracking the program. I'm not saying what i did was right, but i did illistrate how easy it is for someone to convince themself tio download illicet software, especialy since its just stareing them in the face.

Now that being said, it's just my roundabout way of saying, don't be so hard on us, and if your pi$$ed, thats understandable, but please remember that the majority of people that frequent this site are kids and teenagers, don't talk as if we're a bunch of thievs and robbers.

One more thing, where does it say you get to critisize the people here who use the random forum or this site in general? You say we have nothing better to do but your A GROWN MAN PICKING ON KIDS. What do you have to say to that?

[Everlast]

Actually most trial versions or demos of programs are actually the full program, its just you don't have a registration #, so once it runs out you just have to download it again. Thats what I do sometimes.

[CutlipCWA]

I'm laughing at this. A grown man picking on kids? I mean, seriously. I can see that reason isn't going to get anywhere here... Many of you seem to be giving in to the idea that nothing is certain and everything is relative, and if you can come up with a good enough excuse, you can do whatever you want.

I feel sorry for the generation after you, because the world is going to go to crap if everyone feels it's alright to steal whatever you want. Especially if your excuse is "I'm young and I don't have money, so I have the right to steal things". Let me know where you live so when I have kids, I can keep them away from you.

Congrats to the guy who almost sorta got the joke that 57.3% is also made up. Yes, that is supposed to be funny. No, I didn't expect anyone to understand.

I will gladly make this my final post on this thread because noone here seems to understand that no matter what your excuse is (especially if the excuse is "I don't have the money, so it's ok to take it") stealing is wrong, period. I also have the Adobe programs, and paid the student discount price on a legit website to buy them, and I'm just as poor as any of you. I work at freakin' Red Lobster, and go to college full time. Get a job and do things the right way. I hope that someday some of you become real men and learn that there truly IS a right and a wrong, and there is no getting around that.

Til then, I feel sorry for you. It's not me being holier-than-thou, because I do things that I shouldn't do also. I just don't brag about them and try to make excuses for them. I apologize and try to fix them. Dunno if you've heard of God or the fact that His ideas are all that matter... but again, if you haven't, I feel sorry for you. I suggest that you take care of your illegal software issues, but I can't force you. However, it IS what's right to do.

[Zone101]

Ok whatever. End of topic.
To conclude.. Kalphite if you're going to steal don't tell anyone.
Cutlip, just because you're in the army doesn't mean you're good at PT. They may both involve tanks and may both be best without you, but seriously let's cut out the flaming etc.

[Brian]

As fascinating and relevant as this topic is, I'm going to have to lock it now, to prevent further harsh feelings and at the request of the original poster.

To be fair, though, I'm going to quickly sum up both sides:

Kalaphite et al.: "I'm not hurting anyone! Just let me do my thing! You never understand me! Now we see the violence inherent in the system...help, help, I'm being repressed!"

Cutlip: "Sit up straight! Eyes forward! Mind your manners! Follow the rules! Go to church! GET OFF MY **** LAWN, YOU LOUSY KIDS!!!!" (I'd listen to him, folks...he's probably armed.)

These are of course, grossly inaccurate parodies, and as such, much easier to understand and probably funnier than the actual statements.