Preventing war (long topic)

[Death]

Hello,

Some of you may know me as Isaac, Death, Mr. Dotz, or doom. And I would like to talk to you all about wars, and how to prevent them.

I will start by asking you a favor; to read what I say with an open mind.
And I make a promise to you, that I will not offend anyone on purpose in this speech.

Wars are often started over anger, hate, greed, spite, and many other reasons. But every one of these reasons has one common ancestor… vengeance. Vengeance is equivalent to one of the ‘seven sins’: wrath. But that’s not why I am here; I’m here to remind you that there is one place we can cast these problems aside, the Internet (and to make this speech).

At the Internet, you talk to people, get to know them, most of the time never knowing their ethnicity, race, religion, or their IQ; and what happens when you meet people in the REAL world? You judge them; base them on the stereotypes of their different ways because their different than you. And in extreme cases, act violent towards them. The only thing you’re forgetting is, we’re all human; each different in slight ways, and beliefs. Especially the religious ones (but that is no reason to persecute or discriminate). Religion can be powerful in many ways.

Religion can bring people together, but it can also tear apart. Religion has divided people in many ways over the last few centuries. But let’s focus on this one. It has caused war, hate, judgment, and wrath. It has also caused a large division between science, and religion. But let’s just ignore our personal beliefs for now.

Why do we kill our own kind? Why do we pursue entire nations? I’ll answer those questions for you; pride, it’s as simple as that, we have pride in our countries, ethnicities, races, and religions; and some countries fake it because they feel a loss of identity, or culture. But again, let’s forget all that and return to the internet, especially on forums and chat rooms. What do you see? Words, all you see are words, the words of another individual person, the words of someone with their own life, the words of a human.

“So, how do prevent war?” you might be asking, the answer is simple. Abandon warfare, abandon your pride as a country, abandon your thoughts of hate, envy, greed and killing; and treat people the same way you would when you meet someone new, like a human.

You may not see it now, but you’ll see it when most of the innocent lives in the world, are gone, all that will be left is a big hole in the world, with no one left kill. Most of your online friends will be gone, and it will be too late, all because of pride and judgment.

So, if any of you still want to kill someone after reading this, I don’t blame you, it’s hard to let go of you’re pride, it was hard for me. So, I ask everyone to get along, to not have pride in your country, but about your kind, your world. Abandon your instruments of death, and move on, on to the better world in which to come, a world without war, hate, greed, or pride. Because all of us will know one thing; we are all human. I am nor saying to stop being patriotic, that’s always good; just don’t go thinking you’re better than everyone else. So let us unite, unite as one race.

Dotz

P.S. or you can ignore this speech, not spread the word, and lead the world to its doom ‘serving your country’ in a large scale slap fight.

P.P.S. remember the favor I asked you in the beginning? I want you to know that I thank each and everyone of you for reading this.

[Nonnag]

Umm Death what made you post this O_o???

[blue_moon]

Hello,

Some of you may know me as Isaac, Death, Mr. Dotz, or doom. And I would like to talk to you all about wars, and how to prevent them.

I will start by asking you a favor; to read what I say with an open mind.
And I make a promise to you, that I will not offend anyone on purpose in this speech.

Wars are often started over anger, hate, greed, spite, and many other reasons. But every one of these reasons has one common ancestor… vengeance. Vengeance is equivalent to one of the ‘seven sins’: wrath. But that’s not why I am here; I’m here to remind you that there is one place we can cast these problems aside, the Internet (and to make this speech).

At the Internet, you talk to people, get to know them, most of the time never knowing their ethnicity, race, religion, or their IQ; and what happens when you meet people in the REAL world? You judge them; base them on the stereotypes of their different ways because their different than you. And in extreme cases, act violent towards them. The only thing you’re forgetting is, we’re all human; each different in slight ways, and beliefs. Especially the religious ones (but that is no reason to persecute or discriminate). Religion can be powerful in many ways.

Religion can bring people together, but it can also tear apart. Religion has divided people in many ways over the last few centuries. But let’s focus on this one. It has caused war, hate, judgment, and wrath. It has also caused a large division between science, and religion. But let’s just ignore our personal beliefs for now.

Why do we kill our own kind? Why do we pursue entire nations? I’ll answer those questions for you; pride, it’s as simple as that, we have pride in our countries, ethnicities, races, and religions; and some countries fake it because they feel a loss of identity, or culture. But again, let’s forget all that and return to the internet, especially on forums and chat rooms. What do you see? Words, all you see are words, the words of another individual person, the words of someone with their own life, the words of a human.

“So, how do prevent war?” you might be asking, the answer is simple. Abandon warfare, abandon your pride as a country, abandon your thoughts of hate, envy, greed and killing; and treat people the same way you would when you meet someone new, like a human.

You may not see it now, but you’ll see it when most of the innocent lives in the world, are gone, all that will be left is a big hole in the world, with no one left kill. Most of your online friends will be gone, and it will be too late, all because of pride and judgment.

So, if any of you still want to kill someone after reading this, I don’t blame you, it’s hard to let go of you’re pride, it was hard for me. So, I ask everyone to get along, to not have pride in your country, but about your kind, your world. Abandon your instruments of death, and move on, on to the better world in which to come, a world without war, hate, greed, or pride. Because all of us will know one thing; we are all human. I am nor saying to stop being patriotic, that’s always good; just don’t go thinking you’re better than everyone else. So let us unite, unite as one race.

Dotz

P.S. or you can ignore this speech, not spread the word, and lead the world to its doom ‘serving your country’ in a large scale slap fight.

P.P.S. remember the favor I asked you in the beginning? I want you to know that I thank each and everyone of you for reading this.
Can I spread the word AND have a large scale slap fight?

[Death]

you've just shown me that most people are too stupid to understand the complexity of of that message.

[Death]

Umm Death what made you post this O_o???

the fact that people have been destroying eachother for far too long

[Bert]

“So, how do you prevent war?” Abandon warfare.
Leaving war does not prevent it. It may finish a war, but it does not prevent it.

I am not sure why you made this thread. Countries have conflicts, and sometimes the conflict can not be solved. So they wage war.

What exactly are you trying to say with the internet thing? Are you saying people don't judge eachother on the internet?

I really am not sure what the point of this thread is. It is obvious that war is bad and innocent people die. Ya, we get it. But sometimes it is the only solution, and you have to accept that.

[Zwaken]

Ah, I hate war, but there is not much we can do about it. It's really up to the politicians what happens. Us, the people, don't have a poll if we wanna have war, there is no vote, tally, whatever you wanna call it. If that's how war was declared, then there would probably be a lot less wars. The one war that I believe that was helpful was WWII. I don't know much about WWI, but civil wars are the dumbest of all kinds.

My little input. :D

[Skix]

*Shakes Head* The Only Way To Eliminate All Was Is To Unify The Earth Into One Sovereigin Nation, Thereby Eliminateing The Peoples Ability To Wage It.IronicLy, People Will Never Give Up Thier Pride Or Nations Willingly To Do This, PartialY Because Of Pride, And Partly Because It's Human Nature To Fear Change. In Any Case The Only Way To Prevent War Would Be To Have A War To End All Wars...

[ekoz]

you said it skix. it's like the future people south park episode. sorta.

[blue_moon]

What I meant by my post is that no matter how many times we spread this, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING! ITS LIKE THOSE STUPID CHAIN MESSAGES LIKE:
"on Friday the 13th in October, a girl was murdered by a train. It carved the message "BAAAAAAAHHHHHH!" on her back. If you do not post this 150 times, the train will come for you too. If you do, you will get to ride the train."
Seriously, war is usually the only thing that solves problems. Take World War 2. I don't think Hitler would come to a resolve by just listening to a few British and American officials, and no, he most likely would take his time out either. When kids and some adults get into fights, we eye gouge each other. When countries get into fights, they start shooting each other.

Seriously, can I spread the word AND a large scale slap fight?

Oh, and Death. I don't think your helping. You start wars in quite a few topics. Its not armed war, but they sure are pointless.

[Death]

the large scale slap fight IS war. that's all war has ever been and that's all it ever will be. killing your own kind is not the answer. if you heard the song "Boom" by system of a down, then you would under stand.

here is a quote from it, "4,000 hungry children leave us per hour from starvation, while billions are spent on bombs, creating death showers."

if we abandoned war, and focused on helping improve things, there would be a lot more potential inventions.

like a realistic military game they could use for wars, that way, no one would get hurt.

[blue_moon]

I agree that something could be used in place of soldiers. As soon as funds run out for manually operated planes, tanks and boats, then the war is over. A game itself wouldn't do anything. Some things, like WW2 could not be avoided because sometimes those leaders need to die in order for them to stop, as well as their armies or they are still a threat. I'm smarter than you think, and this entire thread is pretty naive. Its like saying,
"I'll post a huge topic on feeder the sick! I'm sure somebody who can actually do anything will see it!"

[Zwaken]

"4,000 hungry children leave us per hour from starvation, while billions are spent on bombs, creating death showers."

One of my favorite songs from them. "No flag large enough..."

[Leon]

There will be no such thing as world peace while any human still lives.

[Zwaken]

So true. That's why in my post I said "a lot less wars" instead of "no wars."

And as far as World peace goes, that's impossible. It's a dream. There will always be a person to make fun of people constantly, and then a person to yell at them to keep them from getting out of line.

There will never be Earth peace. There's peace on Venus though :D

[???revived]

You have to remember that war is also competition, and while that can be a negative force, it can also be positive, in that countries will try to catch up, not just militarily, but also in creating new jobs for people and the like. Countries strive to advance if they have somebody to compete with. If ever the world were one nation with nothing to compete over, then people would get lazy and we'd go back to the Dark Ages again.

I'm not saying I support wars, but that the competitive motive of them can be a positive force for nations that strive to catch up, wanting to have more and be more on par with developed civilizations. Killing and the like is not good, but you have to remember that countries like Norway were dirt poor before WWII, and now it's one of the richest countries on Earth...

[Nonnag]

[QUOTE=Death;34353]the large scale slap fight IS war. that's all war has ever been and that's all it ever will be. killing your own kind is not the answer. if you heard the song "Boom" by system of a down, then you would under stand.

here is a quote from it, "4,000 hungry children leave us per hour from starvation, while billions are spent on bombs, creating death showers."

if we abandoned war, and focused on helping improve things, there would be a lot more potential inventions.
QUOTE]

Well death if a fue contries did that they'd be leaveing themselves open for destruction.

[ekoz]

well, let's put it in this perspective. if a country DID abandon war, there might be widespread peace for awhile. then, do you think, that humans, with the flaws we have, we would be able to survive without an argument? now lets review two situations which would eventually happen.

sit. 1: country 1 is in need of materials that country 2 has, but desperatly needs too, but not as much. so, an argument breaks out about need and ownership. well, do you think they'l just let it go quitely? no. someone will screw up and say the wrong thing, and a war will break up. except there are no forces. so the only way to get the job done is a race to build a weapon which will do the job a a army. whichever country finishes first will launch and totally decemate the other country. then, the rest of the world, or at least a couple other countries, will get mad at that country because they completely anihalated an entire country. so war will ensure. but that first country already has weapons. so, the rest of the world (or those other countries) will go bye bye!

here is sit. 2: some sorta argument breaks out between two residents of a country. somthing (murder, mauling, theft) will happen, and the entire country will split because of this (remeber, the world is in complete peace). part of the country will think the comitter of the crime was justified, and the other half will ring out in a cry of "guilty!" so, whatever the government chooses, a civil war will ensure. countries will come to help and stop, to bring back bliss. but one of those peacemakers die, and FFFFFFTTTTTT!!!, the next big war will be raging in less than a week, let alone the civil war still going on.


get the moral of those stories? war is wherever humans go. you can't escape it. period. war is the worst thing possible, but oh well. we just have to live with it.

[TurtleTuck]

you've just shown me that most people are too stupid to understand the complexity of of that message.

You think you're smart? You're better than other people? All you've made is a chain letter. You love arguing. Like in the, "What are you're three favorite weapons" thread, you just can't get off the subject of being gay (I'm not against any race, religion, whatever) You probably hate me but I've never really liked you either.

[ekoz]

hey!!! just cause i said wars inevitable, lets not start one now!

[TurtleTuck]

Maybe that was a little harsh....

[Zwaken]

HAPPINESS BREAK THROUGH!!! "Let me go wild!!! Like a blister in the sun!"

Screw war, lets party.

[Death]

lol. I aggree, let's not go into a political debate.

*booming voice* LET THERE BE HAPPINESS!

[Zwaken]

Oh yeah, Death. Did I say welcome back?

[Rex Nex]

End the war and nuke the iraqies.

[TurtleTuck]

.......yeah, that will help......:anirolleyes:

[Brian]

Wars are often started over anger, hate, greed, spite, and many other reasons. But every one of these reasons has one common ancestor… vengeance. Vengeance is equivalent to one of the ‘seven sins’: wrath.

The only thing you’re forgetting is, we’re all human; each different in slight ways, and beliefs. Especially the religious ones (but that is no reason to persecute or discriminate). Religion can be powerful in many ways.

Religion can bring people together, but it can also tear apart. Religion has divided people in many ways over the last few centuries. But let’s focus on this one. It has caused war, hate, judgment, and wrath. It has also caused a large division between science, and religion. But let’s just ignore our personal beliefs for now.

Why do we kill our own kind? Why do we pursue entire nations? I’ll answer those questions for you; pride, it’s as simple as that, we have pride in our countries, ethnicities, races, and religions; and some countries fake it because they feel a loss of identity, or culture.

“So, how do prevent war?” you might be asking, the answer is simple. Abandon warfare, abandon your pride as a country, abandon your thoughts of hate, envy, greed and killing; and treat people the same way you would when you meet someone new, like a human.

You may not see it now, but you’ll see it when most of the innocent lives in the world, are gone, all that will be left is a big hole in the world, with no one left kill. Most of your online friends will be gone, and it will be too late, all because of pride and judgment.

So, if any of you still want to kill someone after reading this, I don’t blame you, it’s hard to let go of you’re pride, it was hard for me. So, I ask everyone to get along, to not have pride in your country, but about your kind, your world. Abandon your instruments of death, and move on, on to the better world in which to come, a world without war, hate, greed, or pride. Because all of us will know one thing; we are all human. I am nor saying to stop being patriotic, that’s always good; just don’t go thinking you’re better than everyone else. So let us unite, unite as one race.



Death, I'm going to treat your post as the serious issue its gravity deserves. I think you raise some good points, make some incorrect assumptions, and draw a valid but overly simplistic conclusion.

First, some information. I am Christian, and my response will heavily reflect this, morally and philosophically. You identify the problem as vengeance or wrath, which is quite true. You also later bring pride in, which is even truer. Frankly, I call it sin. Call it wrongdoing, lack of compassion, whatever you want. We all do bad things. We, as human beings, have a problem, a tendency to do these bad things, which my Church often calls concupiscence. We're like an alcoholic, or a wife beater. And every time we give in, it just makes the next time easier. Every harbored grudge can lead to an unkind word, a thrown punch, a fired shot.

Of course, you're expecting this, but I reject the association of religion and war. Religion isn't the cause of war, it's an excuse for war, like "elbow room" or "manifest destiny" or even "We hold these truths to be self evident:". We make wars for our own reasons: financial gain, strategic positioning, fear of "other". Then we coat it with whatever excuse we can reconcile ourselves with. I think identifying religion with war "in the last few centuries" is especially incorrect. War, since the Enlightenment, has been fought for primarily practical or ideological reasons. Not Spanish galleons coming to retake England for Holy Mother Church, just France and England fighting over rich resources in the new world. Not armies of Islamic nations marching to conquer the infidel, just fascist governments invading their neighbors and "cleansing" their populations. Just firing on Chinese ships and slaughtering rebels, because the opium market is profitable. Before the advent of Islamic terrorism in the past 15 years, the preceding century has been marked by wars fought mainly over two ideologies, neither of them having to do with religion: fascism and communism. Essentially, wars over who gets to be in charge, and who holds the purse.

Finally, I don't disagree with your solution, but I think it doesn't go far enough. Stopping war is like telling a heroin addict to just put down the needle and walk away. Sure, he may do it once...but next time? There are 6 billion hatred addicts and conflict junkies and pridaholics and greedheads walking on this planet, and we're not going to overcome problems easily. We need therapy, we need support groups, we need...love. (1 Cor 13)

[ekoz]

all that...and without a mention of me...i feel sad...

[Death]

Religion divides people, It divides people with different points of views. and then, they see each other as an enemy. they forget the original point in their first attack, and then it's just a slaughter.

[Brian]

Name a war fought because of religion.

[Rex Nex]

The Crusades?

[blue_moon]

Name a war fought because of religion.
WWII? Technically, it was... If you look at it a certain way. It was caused because of an action towards a religion/culture.

[TurtleTuck]

My friends and I :p

[Zwaken]

I dunno...Roman wars? lol, I have no clue.

[Slade]

I just checked... The Crusades is the only one to my knowledge.

[Death]

back in Martin luthers time, the reformation. all sorts of wars were fought back then based on religious reasons.

[Skix]

Nearly Every War In The Middle East And Europe Ever Excludeng Most Of The Roman, Franco-Anglo, And Colonial Wars...

[Death]

yeah. I mean no offense to religious people when I say this but, religion has done more harm than good.

[blue_moon]

yeah. I mean no offense to religious people when I say this but, religion has done more harm than good.
I agree. Religion is a nice thing to believe in, but sometimes it causes fights or wars.

[ekoz]

how about...THE WAR TODAY!?!?!

i am christian, but i must say that religion is a constant provoker throughout history.

[Death]

plus that whole 'saving' thing doesn't help either. (no offense)

[ekoz]

OI!!!

[Death]

wha?

[blue_moon]

Eh... That didn't make any sense. There is no significance... Maybe it was Steve Jobs hacking his account.

[ekoz]

no, that was me being mad. OI!!! is the way the english exclaim. it has two meanings. HEY! YOU! is one and YOU LITTLE @*&^%$!!!! is the other. i really don't know which one i was using then.

[Death]

because that whole saving thing is like god saying, " I'm right, and your wrong, and if you don't believe me, you'll go through an eternity of pain and suffering." that isn't very godly. If I were him I would accept people for who they were, not for what they believe.

[ekoz]

well, would you let somebody into your house after they said "screw you" straight to your face?

[Zwaken]

If I was God I would...I don't even know. I'd Ask God what I should do.

[Rex Nex]

God is teh_1337 pwnzer. Thats it.

[blue_moon]

If I was god... I'd probably accidentally cause plagues 19-56.

[ekoz]

if i was god...i'd toss humans around like the little insignifigant toy army men they are.

[Death]

I pity you guys.

[Rex Nex]

y???????

[ekoz]

because, duh, he's soooooo much better *winks and starts laughing uncontrollably.*

[Death]

what, did 'god' want you to say that? or was it your lack of self confidence which you disguise by humor.

oh, that reminds me, I don't worship god, I like him as a friend, for his personality. If you think your better, than your wrong. no person without high intellect is better than me, because I'm not greedy, I don't judge, and I certainly don't any uncaring, selfcentered placeholders going off and ruining this topic.

This topic is a serious disscussion about war, and I want to keep it that way.

[TurtleTuck]

aHA HA HA HA!!!!HAAAAAAA!! HAA!!

[Death]

ooh, your a big man, aren't you, think I'm inferior because of my different Ideas? well, I know whos inferior.

[Bert]

what, did 'god' want you to say that? or was it your lack of self confidence which you disguise by humor.

oh, that reminds me, I don't worship god, I like him as a friend, for his personality. If you think your better, than your wrong. no person without high intellect is better than me, because I'm not greedy, I don't judge, and I certainly don't any uncaring, selfcentered placeholders going off and ruining this topic.

This topic is a serious disscussion about war, and I want to keep it that way.
You are ridiculous, haha. "Lack of self confidence which you disguise by humor." He cracks a joke, now you are accusing him of having no confidence? You act like you are so superior to everyone else in this world, when you aren't. Maybe you are the one with confidence issues.

"If you think you're better, than you're wrong. No person without high intellect(Judging by your pathetic logic and improper English, just about every person here is smarter than you) is better than me, because I'm not greedy, I don't judge(LOL! If you don't judge, then why are you just assuming that anyone dumber than you isn't "better" than you? Define better for me anyway. Oh wait let me phrase that so you can understand it. "defign beter four me"), and I certainly don't any uncaring, self-centered placeholders going off and ruining this topic(I can not even correct you here because your grammar is so horrible, you make no sense at all)."

I can not take this topic serious, for I can not take you serious.

[Brian]

Woah...things are getting a bit hot in here. I don't mind a serious and in-depth discussion going on, and I understand that this naturally leads to high tempers, but I will not let it degenerate into name-calling, ad hominem attacks, or infantile behavior. I will not take any action for any posts that have gone before this one. Anything after my post which violates the TOS will be dealt with accordingly. Secondly, please respect the OP's wish to stay on topic. Any deviation should be split off into a new thread.

[Brian]

As to your assertion that the Crusades were fought for religious reasons, I would have to reject that. Was religion a force in the Crusades? Absolutely. First, the Crusades aren't A war...they are about a half dozen wars. Secondly...the Crusades were fought over the same thing most other wars are fought over: land. The Turks occupied territory that historically had been part of the Roman Empire. The kingdoms that made up that empire responded by launching a counter offensive. If the Crusades were entirely motivated by religion, why didn't they happen two or three hundred years earlier? Because the Muslims who lived in the area in question at the time did not molest pilgrims, disrupt trade, or generally make nuisances of themselves. It was the Turks, a distinct ethnic group who shared a religion with the Arab Muslims, who started trouble with the pilgrims, the Byzantines, and pretty much everyone else who got in the way of their desire for...more land.

[Rex Nex]

Very true... but people use religion as a tool to use to their will. Mankind does not like to change, as seen in our past. So we cope with it with whatever way we can, with greed, pain, and jealousy.

This will often mix with the purity of religion, and create misunderstandings, conflicts, and wars. Although religion does not start wars directly, it plays a significant roll in it. This, like everything else in history, repeats itself to this day, as you all can see.

World unification is just a distant wish, and a near impossible feat, so the possibility of such a time is next to zero. And if such a thing ever happened, controlling such a society would be impossible.

The only way for wars to be blown away, is if everyone was perfect. No one is, so this thread is unnecessary in my mind, but go ahead and talk your heads off.

And yes, I am also a believer in Jesus Christ.

[ekoz]

i am sorry if i offended you death. we only ask you treat us with respect and we treat you the same. Are we still freinds? cause i would seriously like to be freinds with everyone here. :D

[Rex Nex]

I hate you ekoz.

[Rex Techs]

Praise the Lord!!

[Death]

yes, ekoz. I didn't realize you were joking. and I believe bert should be punished.

[TurtleTuck]

How did you get that I was thinking your infierior or whatever? I just think serious things are funny:D

-edit. Hey! Bert's a good man!-

[Rex Nex]

Berts been mean to all of us, including me :O

[TurtleTuck]

He certainly gets his point across but he's not stupid.

[Rex Techs]

So Berts a... mean and smart peson? I never knew that was possible.

[TurtleTuck]

Well I wouldn't say mean.... but yeah it is possible, Hitler, Ray Crock, Dick Chaney, The penguin. They all fit the description.

[Rex Nex]

Dont forget teachers 0.0

[Rex Techs]

Yeah, especially subs.*Shivers*

[blue_moon]

Bert justs speaks his mind. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If its offensive, so be it. Its called freedom of speech. Because the internet is international, freedom of speech exists even back in WWII Germany today.

[Rex Nex]

SO blue moon... what color is your skin? What nationality are your reletives?

[Bert]

I am mean online, but not in real life. How about we all get back on topic like Brian told us to do, eh?

[Rex Nex]

I really want moon to answer my questions.

[Bert]

Drop him a PM then, let's not ruin this topic even more.

[Rex Nex]

I dont have to... but I probably will end up doing so.

Death can I ask blue this question?

[blue_moon]

Sure, I'll answer:
SO blue moon... what color is your skin? What nationality are your reletives?
Skin Color: White.
Nationality: I am Italian, Irish, French and quite a few others. I can basically trace my ancestors back to any part of Europe.
ONTOPIC:
I have nothing to say.

[ekoz]

Omg!!! This Has Taken Such A Drastic Turn!!! I Feel Like Spinning Around Until I Die!!!!

[Rex Nex]

Gues what nationality I am!








































(psst Im german!)

[ekoz]

i'm guessing...german?

[Rex Nex]

Wow... stinkin Jedi Mindtricks!

[ekoz]

OMG i'm a JEDI!?!?!!?!?!?! sweet! i order you to bring me the stinky taco because i'm using the force.

[Death]

why do you joke around in a serious topic?

[ekoz]

because being serious is SOOOOOO funny.

[Death]

what? that made no sense.

[ekoz]

SEE? that last post was hilarious! i mean, how funny is "what? that made no sense."?:D

i actually think serious things are funny. i'm not mocking you, death, and if it looks like i am, i am sorry, but i can't help laughing when someone is serious.

count on me to have trouble keeping a girlfreind.

[Rex Nex]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Cracks me up.

War is bad. Not much to say. TIME TO SPAM
*Spamola*

[TurtleTuck]

Spamolatido!
http://i20.tinypic.com/oqye5f.jpg

[Skix]

Ze Only Way To Prevent War Permanently Is To Kill / Forcibly Subdue Everyone. Nothing Else Will Work. Not Even Perfect Utopia, Someone Would Over Throw The Utopian Government And Start A Civil War...

[blue_moon]

Yes, humans are flawed and nothing can perfect them.

[ekoz]

HILARIOUS!!!

...exacataly my point.

[Death]

Yes, humans are flawed and nothing can perfect them.

that is because no one has TRIED! sheesh. haven't you every heard the saying, theres power in numbers?

[blue_moon]

If we were perfect then we wouldn't have opinions or common sense and it would sap the fun out of living.

[Zwaken]

Wanting to be perfect is imperfect. Seeking perfection in everything makes you annoying, which makes you imperfect. You can only be perfect if you don't try to be perfect. But if you try not to be perfect, then you won't be.

The closer you get to perfection, the further away it gets from you.

[???revived]

Ooh very philosophical there, Zwaken. But really, Death, don't try too be perfect because you'll end up not wanting to take any risks, to achieve maximum scores and stuff in everything, which will make you lazy, uncompetitive, and eventually as far away from perfect as possible.

[Skix]

Oh We've Tried Perfection. Ever Heard Of The Quakers, The BioDome, Mid 90's Utopian City Projects, Hippies, Tibet, Laut-Ze, China? All Have Tried, All Have Failed. I'd Guess The Closest Was Tibet, But Look Where That Got Them, Conquered. Kung-Fu Can Not Beat Tanks, No Siree Bob...

[blue_moon]

However, once the master the earth element, they will truly be perfect AND can fight tanks.

[Rex Nex]

To be perfect is to be Blitwise.

[ekoz]

now your just being a suck-up.

plus, perfection also brings war. ever heard of "jealousy"?

[Rex Nex]

To be jealouse it to be me looking at Blitwise.

[ekoz]

*laughs*

[Brian]

that is because no one has TRIED! sheesh. haven't you every heard the saying, theres power in numbers?

Yes, no one has ever tried to create a perfect society, or a master race, or some sort of COMMUNity of man.

Tongue in cheek aside, there are lots of different groups right now trying to perfect society, or individuals. Lots of people call them religions.

[ekoz]

ever notice those are usually the cornerstones of wars as well?

[Rex Nex]

Didnt we already go over this ekoz...

[ekoz]

yes. we did. but it's not over.

[???revived]

A religious argument will never end - leave off it.

[ekoz]

ok.:D:D:D:D