Tower Defence-like Game?

[Zwaken]

It just occured to me that a TD game would be perfect (to my knowledge) for Blitwise to write. For those who don't know what a TD game is, here (http://http://www.vectortd.com/) is a good example. There could be expansions that add new towers, enemies, levels, ect.

Good idea?

[Rex Nex]

Erm.. your example sucks. Here (http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/game.asp) is the better example.

They just made DTD multiplayer, and I already got 28'th place out of 1024

[Zwaken]

Well, we all have our prefrences.

[Everlast]

I think there are already enough good games like that. No need to build what has already been built. Unless your talking .exe the others are just flash.

[Rex Nex]

I am thinking of a mutliplayer .exe with a buncha cool stuff! I have like the slowest internet ever but no lag!

I doubt Brian would ever make a game just cuz we like the idea.

[Everlast]

Actually Brian doesn't code. Mike and Ben do the coding.

[Rex Nex]

He is in the company though, and therefor he can tell mike and ben what we want.

[MazeMaster]

Hmm, it would be a cool thing but I think Warcraft III tower defenses are fine. Try them out if you never have (provided you have wc3)

[TurtleTuck]

Heck yeah! Making a tower defence in wcIII is fun and relatively easy! There are some great TDs there!

[Zwaken]

The only one I have played is Lasers and Rockets. I don't have the game though.

[Brian]

I have indeed brought this idea to Mike's attention, and he seems intrigued. I think that, as an example of what kind of game we would do, the Vector TD is closer to the mark than the widely popular Desktop Defense. DD is a bit freeform, which removes one of the possibilities for upgrades and expansions, namely, new paths/boards. Also, the Vector TD is graphically much more Mike's style. I showed it to him, and he played it a bit, and commented very strongly on both the graphics and music. I, myself, also prefer Vector TD, but that could be because Desktop Defense is too difficult (except on Easy mode) for me to get very far. Sad, I know. Nonetheless, I've been a big fan of Critters' work since Flash Element TD, though Circle wasn't quite my thing. You may see a pattern. I like to sit back and plan rather than have to just slam a tower down because the next wave is coming and I haven't perfected my master strategy of critter doom.

This doesn't mean he'll be working on a TD game at any time in the near future, as we have things in PT and SDXB, which you all know, which need to be done first. We need to take care of the bread and butter before we think about making preserves.

[Rex Nex]

Vector TD is indeed a very addicting game, and the space-tech graphics and odd, but calm music does seem like Mikes style, and therefor, Blitwise's style. Although I dislike pathing, and like to create my own mazes (via Desktop TD) I still think this is a very good idea and suggestion. (I have just realized you cant multi-space, and the indent thing doest work to well) But, If this does happen, I hope you take it farther then Vector Tower Defence did.

Me, being a beta tester for Desktop Tower Defence's new "First" Multi-player Tower Defence, know it is rather hard work to code the game itself, and we were induced to long days waiting for a update. I also like using strategy in any game, and some games sadly have no room for it, and I hope (and I know the chance of Blitwise's TD is very low) that yours does have extra room for strategy.

[Pyrobellum]

I think a Blitwise TD game would be awesome. Truely awesome, because you graphical style and gameplay style would make for a great stand-out TD game. This would probably take a while, since you guys probably haven't started making sucha game yet, but it's something I would be willing to wait for.

By the way... when you say you're working on pocket tanks, does that by any chance mean Mac 1.2? :D I've been staring at the same weapon download page for nearly a year. :(

[Rex Nex]

Get a freaking windows.

[blue_moon]

I think a Blitwise TD game would be awesome. Truely awesome, because you graphical style and gameplay style would make for a great stand-out TD game. This would probably take a while, since you guys probably haven't started making sucha game yet, but it's something I would be willing to wait for.

By the way... when you say you're working on pocket tanks, does that by any chance mean Mac 1.2? :D I've been staring at the same weapon download page for nearly a year. :(
Blitwise works only with Windows, and perhaps the DS. Go complain to CTSP if you want the new version any faster. Yet, complaining doesn't help at all.
Rex, Windows are good. I stick up for them. Soon, I most likely will get a Mac... But I still fail to see functionality in them. Its not so much using a Mac as you are sharing the Mac experience.

[Zwaken]

Since I don't have a Mac, I guess I couldn't really say that much but this is what I've come up about them.

Windows: For people who plan on downloading / buying a lot of software. Also easier to use, just because almost everyone knows the Windows layout.

Mac: For people who want a high-performance computer, that comes with a good amount of pre-loaded software. Takes a little getting used to, though.

[TurtleTuck]

I don't know, I think macs are easier to learn to use. I prefer PC however.

[Rex Nex]

All I know is that they have mac coms in weird shapes and coloras!

[blue_moon]

Here's my two views on this debate. The systems, and the people.
OS-
Windows (not PC, as PC can run Linux):
Harder to start using, doesn't appeal to most people because it lacks the flashy schemes that a Mac has. But all that does is waste your time.
It can play the majority of games out there, if not almost all.
It is better for making apps or games over the Mac.
It has a longer life.
Cheap. Not cheap like bad, cheap as in easy to get. I paid $600 for this computer, that was two years ago.
Can upgrade.
Mac:
WAY better for anything movie or multimedia related.
Has Dual Boot, but fails to run many Windows exes.
Flashier, but not necessarily enhances performance.

People-
Windows:
Tend to use stretched truth, but stick to fact.
May use only several arguments at all when saying why Macs are bad.
Mac:
Resort to flaming faster.
Don't listen to fact.
Stretch the truth of why Windows is bad.

[Pyrobellum]

Windows (not PC, as PC can run Linux):
Harder to start using, doesn't appeal to most people because it lacks the flashy schemes that a Mac has. But all that does is waste your time.
It can play the majority of games out there, if not almost all.
It is better for making apps or games over the Mac.
It has a longer life.
Cheap. Not cheap like bad, cheap as in easy to get. I paid $600 for this computer, that was two years ago.
Can upgrade.

Mac:
WAY better for anything movie or multimedia related.
Has Dual Boot, but fails to run many Windows exes.
Flashier, but not necessarily enhances performance.

People-
Windows:
Tend to use stretched truth, but stick to fact.
May use only several arguments at all when saying why Macs are bad.
Mac:
Resort to flaming faster.
Don't listen to fact.
Stretch the truth of why Windows is bad.

I think cheap is relative. If you upgrade your computer a lot in terms of memory, graphics cards, and processors, then it's probably cheaper to run windows, but the cost of those graphics cards might add up to the cost of a mac computer anyways. I doubt I'll be needing to upgrade my computer (hardware) for a very long time. With both types of computers, you get what you pay for. You can buy a windows computer that comes pimped-out with great hardware, it's just obviously more expensive. The main deal is that you don't have the option of buying a Mac with mediocre hardware.

Software: I actually am a person who puts a crapload of software on my computer (read: I've ran through 60 gigs since getting this computer). For every software category I can think of (except games), I have been able to find equivalents or port-overs of nearly everything. The google process is just a little longer. The only area where macs get hit hard is games. The major developers (like Blizzard) put out games for both of the operating systems, but there are far more small PC game developers than Mac developers. Since macs aren't known for gaming capabilities, few people make games for them. It's kind of a chicken-egg problem.

The people: I would have to say, your arguments (all of them) apply to both sides.
For example (http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=sc-general&t=182160&p=1&#post182160)
The people there don't use any fact, and flame right from the get-go. Granted, people in online gaming can be utter assholes, but the Mac flaming in that thread is completely unjustified. In fact, It's almost a complete reversal of your generalizations. However, you are right that Mac users can be a little fanatical. Rest assured, I have used XP and vista, so I know what I'm talking about when I bash on Vista's epic fail.

[blue_moon]

Vista is bad. It tried to go the route of eye candy. Not good. And yes, Macs are better than Windows, but not price wise. Macs can cost huge bucks. I can buy this enormous PC with the exact same capabilities, except you can upgrade it even further for the same price as a Mac of that ability.
You are right about the online gamers. They are... A bit of a hater group. I would go by these people.
this i the better that a pc user can own a mac user.
even if u were smart (u r not, not smart dip****) u couldn't
own Kost because a PC can't own a Mac.
PCs sucks but most of all Windows Sucks Windows Sucks Windows Sucks Windows Sucks Windows Sucks Windows Sucks Windows Sucks Windows Sucks Windows Sucks Windows Sucks
U S.O.B. PCs are P.O.S's... The only thing they are good for is **** like works and word... XD "I can type... Woohoo"

Mac's are more for the creative mind, and artistic side... and, yet, can do just as much, and more than PCs ever will XD

Macs > PCs in every way, shape, and form.I got those two idiot comments off the Kost responses on Youtube. Took less than a minute. Too many were the usual "I own a Mac so PCs suck!" Actually, it was more like "i OWN mac pcs SUCK!!!!!"
I bolded the part in the first quote, just to show that this Mac user accidentally used a double negative, saying the PC user is smart.
Anyway, lets get back on topic.

[Pyrobellum]

Well, XP doesn't really suck, that's really only limited by if you know what you're doing. The choice between XP and Mac is personal preference/price. Vista isn't a choice, it's a mistake. But yeah, back to the topic.

You know how in most tower defence games, there's some "ultimate tower" that you eventually have to buy because it owns so much? I think if Blitwise makes such a game, they should do away with that tower. It makes the final levels very dumbed down. Granted, it makes you use the massive income you inevitably get with the final levels, but I think it still makes the game boring. Also, flying creeps? They make the game more challenging, but how challenging would you want this game to be?

[blue_moon]

I think there should be various levels of expansions, like so:
Enemy Expansion:
A pack that contains a variety of new enemies. I'm not quite sure how this could fit in quite well.
Map Expansion:
An expansion. With maps.
Tower Expansion:
New towers. Could integrate with Enemy Packs.

[???revived]

Gah what's so wrong with Vista? I've had it for nearly a year now and it hasn't crashed at all yet. If a program doesn't work, then I just set it to compatibility mode and it'll work after that. I haven't gotten a virus or anything similar yet, yet I go to the deepest trenches of the Internet and often download stuff from the most suspicious websites. If it hasn't failed me, then I infer that it can't be all bad. And then there's Aero...

[Death]

I would like to see something like this. I've never seen a non-flash defense game.

[blue_moon]

Gah what's so wrong with Vista? I've had it for nearly a year now and it hasn't crashed at all yet. If a program doesn't work, then I just set it to compatibility mode and it'll work after that. I haven't gotten a virus or anything similar yet, yet I go to the deepest trenches of the Internet and often download stuff from the most suspicious websites. If it hasn't failed me, then I infer that it can't be all bad. And then there's Aero...
Its not that it crashes or has bad security, it just didn't work out. A PC running Vista would run faster if it ran XP. Sure it looks nice and has great eye candy, but that doesn't help. I have an awesome idea for an OS, called Pure Iron. Its basically a variant and cross between a Mac, Linux and PC... But that doesn't belong here.
@Death:
I know. It might be a good idea, but it might be bad.

[Zwaken]

I have Vista. It doesn't crash as much as XP, but it does run slower. Best of all though, the "End Program Now" acctually works.

[Pyrobellum]

I (and about 5 other people at my school) have all used vista, and think it sucks. With one of my friends, Windows Movie Maker crashes constantly, and it refuses to read mp4 files. She also had to work really hard for it to play limewire downloads, although I suppose that's intentional on the part of the designers. Another guy (linux user) tried an in-store demo, and there were a crapload of things that were unacceptable to him. I can't remember what they were, but this guy knows way to much about computers. I have had major issues with back-compatability of printers and hardware (my family's home computer won't read a scanner/printer combo that claims to be "vista ready"). It doesn't read microphones well (keeps crapping out during skype calls). My roommate is also unable to use my printer because Vista can't find the drivers. Another one has a laptop that runs way too slowly in games because he "upgraded" to Vista. I can tell you horror stories, trust me.

[Zwaken]

Linux is the best. I had one, and it rocked. Never got a virus, never had a program crash, it hasn't even gotten laggy at all. Never.

[???revived]

You people all have bad luck then... :P Vista has never failed me yet, and I've had it pretty much since the start. Then again, I don't use dumb stuff like "movie maker" or p2p or whatnot. I just use this computer to go on the Internet and play video games, two things that are brilliant on it...

[blue_moon]

Yeah, the only time I got a virus is from a bad link. Besides, Linux doesn't gets viruses because no one really cares about it. I'll get some videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQECwm3erEs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAJDbV9Vfs&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjpn3L3bSJQ&mode=related&search=
Linux is always at the end.

[Death]

You people all have bad luck then... :P Vista has never failed me yet

actually, most of the games that I've seen have an issue with vista.

I think that windows will never improve.

[???revived]

Lol Microsoft loves me...

I think it's because my dad is somehow affiliated with them (I don't know how though; his job is a mystery to me). He doesn't directly work for them, but his company had this rating from Microsoft and whatever, and we got a box full of junk from Microsoft (flags, advertisements lol)...

[blue_moon]

"The people who use Mac converted because they couldn't find the 'any' key."

Thats a quote from somewhere else. Pretty funny. OSs to some people are like religion. You blindly follow whatever you like. Like I said, Vista is not the best. Saying Microsoft won't get better is like saying Apple won't get better. There haven't been any real Mac improvements in a while. Linux... Is Linux. It is, but thats pretty much it.

[Death]

"The people who use Mac converted because they couldn't find the 'any' key."

Thats a quote from somewhere else. Pretty funny. OSs to some people are like religion. You blindly follow whatever you like.

lol, so true.

[Pyrobellum]

There haven't been any real Mac improvements in a while.

LIES!!!! :) I'll admit, the working search feature of Vista is a massive improvement over the snail-paced search function of XP. The widg- gadgets are also a decent new feature. I never found much use for either, but I suppose they have the potential to be useful. I suppose "recent" is subjective (april 2005 was the most recent major OS update), but Vista is the only major windows update I can clearly remember. I think OS development (excluding bug fixes) goes at a very slow pace.

[blue_moon]

XP was in 2004, Vista was in 2007. Really, I don't need to pay 2,800 for a Mac that goes slower than a 2 year old PC after a year (yeah, my grandmother's Mac is EXREMELY slow. "oh, but it doesn't use as much memory!" SO WHAT!? ITS SLOW! ITS A 2005 MAC!). Besides, so what if it goes faster than possibly noticeable? You can only get computers so fast before speed becomes unnoticeable. Also, I use game maker. It is purely windows. It does not work on boot camp. Plus, I just see more that Windows has that Mac doesn't. Oh, and has any one here ever heard of Kost?

[Pyrobellum]

Eh, the Mac I'm on is a year old, packed with craploads of software, and it still runs as fast as the day I got it.

Recently, I put a video of playing Bloons Tower Defense up on youtube, and of all the videos I watched, mine was the only one with 30 frames per second. the other ones had really bad framerate. I load Warcraft 3 maps faster than any of my friends on their laptops (they have laptops around the same age as mine). I don't need to bump down graphics quality for any of the games I have on here. I can play WoW with terrain distance on max. I don't think Macs are universally slower than PCs. :eek:

And I can only assume you mean This Kost (http://www.kostfiresafety.com/). I think that on almost all software genres (exluding games :(), there are either alternative programs or direct port-overs of popular programs.

[Death]

I say DTD is the best one.

[blue_moon]

Eh, the Mac I'm on is a year old, packed with craploads of software, and it still runs as fast as the day I got it.

Recently, I put a video of playing Bloons Tower Defense up on youtube, and of all the videos I watched, mine was the only one with 30 frames per second. the other ones had really bad framerate. I load Warcraft 3 maps faster than any of my friends on their laptops (they have laptops around the same age as mine). I don't need to bump down graphics quality for any of the games I have on here. I can play WoW with terrain distance on max. I don't think Macs are universally slower than PCs. :eek:

And I can only assume you mean This Kost (http://www.kostfiresafety.com/). I think that on almost all software genres (exluding games :(), there are either alternative programs or direct port-overs of popular programs.
Oh. You got the wrong Kost. He's a person on Youtube who tries to jam his opinion down other people's throats. Anyway, I speak the truth. My grandmother's Mac actually takes about twenty seconds to open Microsoft Word. About 5 for Safari. Also, whenever I watch a video made on a Mac, certain parts are jittery. My XP runs faster than that Mac, just not as good graphics. I have a bit of trouble with 3D, but it was only $600 compared to a huge machine.
Anyway, I wonder what Mike is thinking. Hopefully, its "I am Mike W." At least that is what I hope he is thinking.

[Pyrobellum]

No no, I'm almost positive you mean fire safety equipment. :) Anyways, I think we're getting off-topic again.

[Lommen]

TD games are always great but i feel like they border on too violent for blitwise's tastes.

[John Brooks]

Lommen?!?!?!?!?! Since when do you chat on these forums????

[blue_moon]

A lot of the uber veteran dudes are coming back.

[Rex Nex]

*cough* Lommen and Was It Me? *uncough*

[Everlast]

I haven't seen zetablack yet.