AI's cheating?

[Everlast]

Hey have any of you ever experienced the AI's cheating? Because many time the AI's get weapons that weren't even on the list. I always grab the Mud Pie whenever I can and always looks to see if it comes up, and a couple of times the AI just pulls one out when its losing. I have gotten really mad when the AI get weapons that weren't available. Does this happen to anyone else? :confused:

[Neko244]

That can't happen. The AI does sometimes change the order in which they shoot their weapons, for example, if they are in dirt; but they cannot, in any circumstances, get a weapon that wasn't even on the list in the first place.

[Was It Me?]

I think that Neko244 is right. It has never happened to me.

[John Brooks]

It has never happened to me, ever. And it can't happen

[Zantetzuken]

look at all the weapons next time or take some screenshots for proof

[Zwaken]

I think that you just didn't relize that there were 2 mud pies there. Stuff like that happens to me all the time. Now unless there's a ghost in your computer, this probably wouldn't happen. Case Closed.

[VoLAN]

I many times see AI cheating.

[Was It Me?]

I many times see AI cheating.

What does the AI do to cheat while playing you? :confused:

I still don't think that the AI has ever cheated in a game against me... (besides having perfect aim most of the time ;))

[VoLAN]

AI shoot tar ball 2 times, but in weapon list were only 1 (or 0)

[Slater]

gimme a look at the source and I'll tell you if it really cheats or not. My guess is that this simply isn't possible unless one makes use of the repeated-weapons glitch present in the game, which is actually "bugging" the system rather than the AI "cheating"

Using this glitch, I could make the AI have 10 tarballs if I wanted. But the AI has no actual idea that such a thing is going on.

[Everlast]

You can't take a screenshot of it because if I took a screenie of the AI using a weapon not in the list, you would just say, "that weapon was on the list you just didn't look". So I can't really take a screenie of it....:scared:

[Mazenger]

may be u used the mouse wheel by wrong, and changed the computer's weapon after he shooted it.

[zetablack]

i've never had that happen to me

[Zantetzuken]

You can't take a screenshot of it because if I took a screenie of the AI using a weapon not in the list, you would just say, "that weapon was on the list you just didn't look". So I can't really take a screenie of it....take 2 one of all the weapons and one with it having a different weapon

[Samail]

I havn't noticed any AI funny business. They DO sometimes change the order in which they fire their weapons, but I don't think they cheat.

[zetablack]

well if the code in your game got messed up maybe but not mine.

[Everlast]

My computer is pretty messed up...

[Was It Me?]

I don't think it would cheat just because your computer is messed up. :)

Unless... your computer is turning against you because it's angry and gaining superior intelligence... :p

[zetablack]

OMG THE COMPUTERS DUMB POST ITS COMEING ALIVE!!!!! SAVE THE CHEESE FACTORYS!!!!! i should put that in the random fourm 2

[jtw19932002]

i have never experenced that but i do wonder sometimes why the AI all of the sudden gets more than three of that weapon when there was only 2 and i got one
:confused:

[Everlast]

I know for a fact that the computer cheats or it just may be a glitch, but either way its annoying because Mud Pie is my favorite weapon and I ALWAYS look for it to make sure I get it and several times the AI has used it when it wasn't on the list. So far that is the only weapon that I find that the AI cheats to get. I don't have 1.00b or 1.00c so I don't know if those fixed it or not.

[Slater]

Meh... still not buying it. So far, the weapons are stored in linked lists for each player, which isn't exactly rocket science to program so that weapons disappear after the turn that they're used (of course, there's a bit of a glitch to get around that, but that's a different story). It would be nearly impossible for a computer to "glitch" and add a mudpie to the computer-player's list while removing another weapon... it'd be like winning the lottory. Similarly, writing the code that would tell the computer "oh, you're in trouble, you specifically need a Mud Pie" and add it into that list would be quite a feat.

way code works:
Weapon shop has array of weapons. Call it shopWeaps[20]

Player 1 picks shopweaps[x]. &shopWeaps[x] gets appended to his list. Player 2 goes and picks shopWeaps[y], gets &shopWeaps[y] added to his list. Etc.

Game starts. Player 1 and Player 2 have two linked lists of weapons... call them *p1Weaps and *p2Weaps. Player1 executes the code to fire the 3rd weapon in that list. The game fires it, and when the turn ends, the item is permamently removed from the list and weapon 2 stops pointing to weapon 3, so it's now pointing to weapon 4. Weapon3 went baibai. The same thing happens for player 2

In order for the AI to cheat by adding weapons, it would take a lot of code that the people at Blitwise would have to implement. It simply wouldn't be an easy thing to do by any stretch of the imagination. And there's really no reason why they would do this... They're trying to make a fun, non-impossible game. If it were a cheap, frustrating thing, they wouldn't make any money. So, in short... check your weapon shop more carefully. I know that I often miss a weapon that I'd have liked to have... quite often I might add. Even mudpie I've overlooked when I wanted it. To err is human; to know exactly what is in that weapon shop is computer... Computer is very good at knowing what's available. That much IS included in the code :)

[Everlast]

Meh...........

[Slater]

Indeed. Actually, I'd like to get my hands on the source to see exactly how it's done. The programmers are probably better with pointers than I am *kicks homework*

[ZackTheMan]

Sounds very java-like but either way if it's coded with a linked-list, the likelyhood of introducing data that wasn't in the linked list to start with is like a limit approching zero... Also i've never noticed the AI "cheating" i think you just are missing whats on the screen...besides you shouldn't be choosing weapons against the current AI anyways...if you pick the right weapons you always win...random is the only way to give the AI the slightest chance...and even then it's pretty **** hard for it to win if you use the weapons the right way.

[Was It Me?]

Simply put, BlitWise would have pretty much had to program it into the game on purpose for the AI to cheat.

[Saint Wacko]

I've noticed something like this before, witha supernova, but I suspect I just didn't notice the other one.

[SmileKZS]

AI is... However. They calculate the correct angle/power of a headshot on you, then add a little random number according to the difficulty, then everything they do is the same as you do. adjust.choose.fire. They sure cheat because they calculate... But the random... So I always fight level 5, because some weapons need to be inaccurate to work...

[A17]

Umm, i'm prety sure they DONT cheat by using weapons that wern't for selection before the game, maybe you forgot 2 mudpies existed? I get stuff like that happening to me, I see 2 nukes on the selection, i grab one, AI grabs one, then I grab the next best thing. The AI grabs another Nuke. My point is, you should verify IF you've mistaken weapons for soemthing esle, o simply grab pen & paper, jot EVERY weapons on the list, and who is in possession of 'em.

[Slade]

Do you ever wonder if the AIs think that wer're cheating? Don't you ever wonder IF WE ARE HURTING THEIR FEELINGS?!?:(

[jstrok7]

I think that you just didn't relize that there were 2 mud pies there. Stuff like that happens to me all the time. Now unless there's a ghost in your computer, this probably wouldn't happen. Case Closed.
Same happened to me ...

[???revived]

Do you ever wonder if the AIs think that wer're cheating? Don't you ever wonder IF WE ARE HURTING THEIR FEELINGS?!?:(

It's AI. It's strategy programmed into a predictable form...

[Everlast]

On some games the AI's can learn.

[???revived]

The AI does usually learn, but it can often be predicted...

[blue_moon]

yes, it learns by lines and lines of coding. like in animal crossing, they can learn your name, birthday, etc. by the use of variables.